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believed to be connected to the attack and shooters separated muslims from nonmuslims and proceeded to kill as many as the nonmuslims as they could. kenya's president called them an existential threat and vowed to continue to fight terrorism today on national television saying quote, our forefathers bled and died for the nation, and we'll do everything to defend our way of life. today, a survival of that horrific attack on campus told cnn how she hid when the attack started and stayed there for two days. >> and then me i decided to go into the wardrobe in the wardrobe. we have this wardrobe that's small, small rooms, and then i covered myself with the clothes, and then these people -- in our room and then they entered our

room and other roommates who were hidden themselves under the bed, they told them to go out, and when they were outside, they told if you don't know how to read them in the muslim word whatever and then you lie down and then if you know you go to the other side. >> we are join from the town where the mass car took place, not far from the somalia border. thank you. i know today you saw something disturbing. what was it? >> reporter: oh poppy, it was disturbing. in fact, it just continues the violent nature of the story. we went out to the morgue to see what evidence there could be of whether the gunmen were killed or not, and the authorities proceeded to put the bodies in the back of a pickup truck,

drive them through town with the crowds assembling behind that truck and showing them off as if it was to the population and in effect to prove they killed these gunmen. because in previous attacks, there have been allegations that the military let people slip by and as you say, al shabab said they'll bathe the cities of kenya with blood. after the attack they want to do more, and kenya's president saying they'll spare nothing to go after them in kenya and next door in somalia. poppy? >> what resources does the government though have to fight them effectively? because after the 67 people died in the west gate mall attack in nairobi, now this. what more can the government do? >> reporter: they have been complaining they were understaffed and not enough resources to take on what you said as an existential threat. they called up thousands of recruits to help secure the country, and also the u.s. is very involved in the fight against terror here in kenya and

in somalia. there are special forces involved as well as covert drone strikes that have taken up several leaders of al shabab. they are not nearly strong a force as it was several years ago when it held big parts of somalia as a quasi government but they are cornered and dangerous, and they have in recent months threatened u.s. targets. there's going to be a lot of cooperation in the coming months. >> they did recently threaten malls across the u.s. incoming the mall of america. what are the people in the town telling you? obviously, they are in shock, horrified, but are they defiant? >> well, they are defiant, and there's complex situation going on here much of this town somalia, kenya, they speak the language of somalia, and as well as sharing the faith, but, obviously, most of them, all of them spoken to have been horrify horrified by the attack and when they brought the bodies out

of the alleged gunman one man said they wanted to burn them that it was not enough just to have them shown being dead and there's a lot of anger here but also a lot of fear. they've spirited away the students remaining at the university shut up that university and sent them on busses frankly, for their safety to nairobi, and then beyond there. it's tragic to see this bright young kenyans, who having a future in this country, having their education dreams snuffed out, and many of the friends still missing or dead. poppy poppy? >> no question. thank you for the reporting this evening. more from david on the story throughout the evening here on cnn, but let's continue to discuss this with a former cia operative and intelligence and security analyst and author of "perfect kill: 21 laws for assassins" and former navy seal and fbi agent. thank you, gentlemen, for both being herement bob, beginning with you. this attack, when you talk about as david and i did, what the

government can do outside of basically making schools, universities malls armed compounds compounds, what is the most effective way to stop this? >> well kenya's got multiple problems one, of course the same problems we have and that's protecting soft targets. how do you protect the big sprawling university or school or a mall? you know you can put more place,place police better reaction time but at the end of the day, you can't protect anything. they can always hit you somewhere. remember northern kenya, there's a muslim population which is you know is not shared in the wealth as the rest of kenya, and you got shabab and fundamentalists appealing to them to break away and which that's why they pulled out christian students as an ethnic cleansing. kenya needs to get its house in

order as well as step up the antiterrorism campaign. at the end of the day, if you have an open sore like somalia, where you got the shabab armed and trained and getting combat experience you can never entirely protect yourself from attacks like these. >> what's your assessment of this? they have looked at al shabab as being weakened, try bing to compete with the likes of isis and aqap, for example, the attack 147 killed what's your assessment of the strength of the terrorist organization? >> the strength is the scariest thing seen so far with the terrorist organization since al qaeda. they have figured out the critical times and the critical areas of these soft targets, and, you know in syria, you have isis that's cutting the heads off a lot of people. here they are literally going to a mall they are going to a college campus. those are attacks that you could easily come over and do in the united states or anywhere on the

globe -- >> and they threatened it. >> yes, in very effective numbers. >> also to you, bob, on that there's an interesting op-ed on chiropractic nn cnn saying attacks on the mall like the university shows actually that al shabab is weaker not stronger because they are not attacking military bases. do you agree with that? >> well peter's right. they at one time owned the capital of somalia and owned most of the country, and they were a nation if you like. they no longer are. the ke in, y -- they have been fought back with the african union, but on the other hand these people do not care if they lose they have are a guerrilla force and move if they have to and keep up the

fight for enough years and win at the end of the day. like isis lost takrit they do not care as long as they expand in other places like damascus somalia, or the rest of it. i think, you know this war is not done. it's not done for shabab and killing the leadership with drones will disrupt them but it will not defeat them. >> yeah, as evident this week. thank you very much stand by, we'll talk about another chaotic situation next. the war in yemen that's completely torn that country apart, hundreds have died more than a thousand have been wounded, and can saudi arabia effectively lead this fight in a way that does not lead to more bloodshed for civilians?

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russia submitted a draft resolution to the u.n. asking for a pause in the saudi-led air strikes targeting rebels backed by iran. the hope is humanitarian aid can get in, foreign personnel can get in and help all the people out safely in terms of the foreigners there. a diplomat pointed out, however, that russia's draft resolution does not call on those rebels to put their weapons down, and as i said, those rebels have the backing of iran. the u.n. estimates 518 people have been killed in yemen, really since the violence broke out just in the past two weeks. complicating matters, the growing influence of al qaeda in the country's east new pictures appear to show a senior leader posing in one of yemen's presidential palaces. this happened after that leader broke out of jail and after they were effectively effective in di posing the president in the country. to talk about it a former navy

seal and fbi agent and former cia operative. when you look at this a lot of people point to yemen as yet another example ever a power vacuum giving al qaeda, aqap another breeding ground. have we lost yemen? >> well we definitely lost the ground that we had, and i think overall, what you are seeing here is that we just don't have an effective strategic war plan for battling the fundamental mu haddism. it does not matter shia sunni, we don't have a plan for it. >> when you say, we, do you mean the united states or by our alis? >> this is a global fight now. there has to be a coalition -- yooipi mean denmark, canada, france, australia australia, everybody's been attacked now. yemen is important, but the strategic war plan does not

exist. yemen is a tactical battleground syria is a tactical battleground and they hold high importance. why we have allowed this to slip away is just an example of how little of a war plan we have. >> so do you, bob to you, i mean we've seen saudi arabia's now leading the coalition of nine middle east nations, right? there's arab power coming from saudi arabia uea, kuwait qatar, morocco, and sudan and egypt. do you agree we have have let this happen let yemen slip through the cracks? >> i mean, we -- this is a hideous diplomatic failure in the sense that we've been unable to put together a coalition that involves turkey saudi arabia the gulf states and as much as i hate to say it iran. if everybody's supporting one of the groups and effectively, pushing for a greatup of countries like yemen, syria, and

iraq we'll have more violence. i agree completely it's a totally failed strategy and remember the population of yemen is almost as big as saudi arabia's and if that country is a source of instability for saudi arabia we're in big trouble. you know whether at the end of the day we could have put a coalition together i don't know. it does not look like we tried hard. >> one of the important things in the fight, you know is from being a navy seal is intelligence gathering. >> sure. >> one of the questions that comes up is how effective and how strong can the intelligence gathering be without people on the ground really. >> right. as bob will tell you, until half of intelligence is not just our guys out there, it's recruiting the right sources to report back to you. now, that's something we have been doing for a long time in yemen yemen, and that's all we have going for is is that as we pull backwards, we have people that are in there that are locals that are sources, and they feed

us information. that's the only thing saving us right now as far as giving us information what's going on. >> bob, look former president there, really the currently the president still, but who is no longer in the country, has been kous ousted by the rebels. you saw one taking a photo inside the presidential palace. what kind of government would be the best case scenario that's realistic right now in yemen if the rebels are to be defeated? >> any central government i mean as you talked about, poppy, you get vacuums as an open invitation for al qaeda toset up a state. they have not had one in the last decade and it looks like they are going to get one if they take over presidential palaces and part towns and the rest of it we face another islamic call fate in yemen, and without an army group, you know troops on the ground, that is what we're going to get, and i don't think the saudis have the

army to occupy yemen, and they tried in the '60s and fail completely. i don't know who could do it but this is -- you know, the arabs are panicking about yemen like i've never seen. they have reason to. it could be destabilizing. again, saudi arabia and other neighboring countries. >> thank you both good to have you on. appreciate it. next the crash of 9525 and a shepherd who witnessed it saying he'll have nightmares after witnessing the disaster. also, the families of the victims struggling with their emotions. an update after the break.

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the second phase of the germanwings flight 9525 investigation is underway today. the last investigators today left the crash site. it's not clear if or when they return a private security company is there now to protect the site from intruders. it's been a trying time for everyone involved since the plane crashed two weeks ago. we have been covering the story from the beginning. he filed this report. >> reporter: this should have been the view from the window seat high in the sky. instead, it may have been their

last look at life. >> translator: i saw the plane headed in the valley i said my god, it's going to hit the mountain. i ducked my head but it seemed to veer left and after that, i saw the smoke, he says. >> reporter: the people are weary of outsiders in the villages but slowly this shepherd tells me what's troubling him. >> translator: it's terrible you can't imagine that. one day it will haunt me give me nightmares he says. those first air images shows the flight went down less than a minute away in the inaccessible ravine. investigators warned us to stay away. >> reporter: before dawn we are going to a trail head. the aim is to try to hike into the crash site. i thought families deserved to see where their loved ones lay.

there's frost this morning, and now the sun's coming down no sign of snow just yet. getting up here is hanging on to tree roots and grass. i can see why they have to fly anything out with that crash site by helicopter. few people live up here few sign posts point the way. it's taken hours to hike in but we found the spot. it's down there in that steep sided valley they are doing the saddest job of all. from my viewpoint above the crash site it seemed teams clinged on by their fingertips so steep the sides of that wind-blown gully, so lonely those travelers lying now in plastic shrouds. for more than a week rescuers refused to bound to nature risking their own lives, treating the dead like they were

family. >> translator: i've lost friends in mountain years in past. our code is to never leave anybody in the mountains, he says. at a simple memorial close by the living came to weep for their dead. the village mayor vows to cherish them and never forget. we have a duty to look after their memories. we must share the pain of the families he says. this young woman felt ready to share a few thoughts of her big brother. he was app iranian soccer journalist aboard the flight. >> he said to one of his friends that if someone kill in the flight crash, would be okay because it's for one minute and we're gone and you are in the sky where your soul will go and

he spent eight minutes to fall down. >> the boss came to lay a wreath. >> there's not a single hour where we don't think about this terrible accident. >> reporter: he's admitted the co-pilot on the flight reported mental health issues back in 2009. >> can you tell us why you didn't stop a man with psychological issues flaying your plane? >> reporter: he was not giving answers, at least i hope he heard the question on everyone's lips. families may never really find out why, but just perhaps they can discover peace amid the mountain meadows and crystal streams. or draw solace from a sister who desperately misses her brother. >> everything's great for him, but for us we just -- we just

can't calm ourselves down with this picture that he's now the king. >> reporter: there, up where her imagination flies, they are all kings of the alps. cnn, france. >> we'll remember all of them carl thank you for the report. up next talking about this could the parent company be held criminally liable for the crash? we'll discuss that next. also a horrifying story about a family on vacation in the virgin islands now fighting for their lives and concerns they may have been poisoned. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ if you want a paint with no harsh fumes. if you want a paint without harmful chemicals. if you want a paint that's safer

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black box, was found buried in 8 inches of dirt. talk about this investigation. the liability, with daniel rosen an attorney and a licensed commercial pilot and former navy jet pilot and faa inspector. thank you, gentlemen, for being here. you know, the fact that the investigateors left the scene now means that they have collected the data that they need to continue to go through. when you look at the fact david, that the flight data recorder revealed that the co-pilot, lubitz increased speed several times as the plane went down does that tell us anything about lufthansa's liability here knowing that this is possible and knowing his mental background? >> i think it's a reach to say that they could have known he was going to commit a crime like this however, the fact he continued to increase speed definitely puts that in the fact

he had intent, continuing to increase the speed, trying to get to the crash site. no question it was premeditated murder because he researched how to keep the captain out of the cockpit through the door. as far as liability, i'll leave it to the attorney to answer that question. >> referencing what was found in the home including he searched things like cockpit security, et cetera, and so to you, dineaniel, looking at lufthansa, how open they are to criminal liability here given a european government official said it's premeditated murder, given the fact they knew about his background coping with depression how open are they for criminal liability? >> well, they are certainly vulnerable to it and that's a history in europe of airlines being prosecuted criminally for

negligent conduct of their employees. certainly, if you have a case like this where there's a deliberate act that arguably should have been flagged years ago, 2009 and the airline's on notice about it not taking precautions including background check, and monitoring of the pilot, and at the end of the day, does not put in a policy of having two people in the cockpit in order to prevent something like this from happening, then you can certainly look at the airline for the practices and procedures they put in place, and that could lead to criminal negligence and certainly prosecution in europe and civil liability in the u.s. >> david what should change? experts suggested there should be a third party intermediary there, between the company, employer and the airline, that communicates a big problem, a mental illness for example, that should prevent someone from

flying. is a third party the answer here? >> i don't think so poppy. the third party's been tried before in the voluntary disclosure program. that information, supposed to be secret, has been released due to pressure from congress in certain cases, so it's just simply not a trusted third party that does not work. it's still in place. there's some success, but i think this is too personal of an issue to trust a third party with all your hipa information and psychological profiling. >> quickly, before you go daniel the advice to the families now trying to cope get through it they are not thinking of legal recourse, you know many of them coping with the loss of loved ones. what should they do now in terms of on the legal end? >> well, as you said first and foremost take care of themselves and their families and their mental well being as best they can given this terrible situation, but there will be a time and place when the families want answers and

they want accountability, and it's been proven historically that in situations like this oftentimes that accountant and responsibility comes through the legal recourse that the families have both in europe and, i believe, they'll have some in the u.s. as well. >> and i believe they oftentimes only have about two years to file so they need to obviously, when they are ready, take that step. thank you very much daniel and david, i appreciate it. up next a disturbing story that's quickly developing. that's images of parents who were on vacation with their children at a luxury resort really in paradise in the virgin islands, but a toxic chemical could be to blame as what some are looking at as a potential poe sonning. more on that next. and clearer skin. this is my body of proof that i can fight psoriatic arthritis from the inside out... with humira. humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific source of inflammation

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it was supposed to be a dream vacation, but instead, it's left a delaware family fighting for their lives. their week long stay in a luxury resort in the islands was cut short after finding the father in a coma and mother and two sons having seizures. they suspect an extremely toxic pesticide may be to blame. we are following the story from new york. i know you spoke with the family's attorney and have an update on the condition. how are they doing? >> reporter: that's right. i spoke to the family's attorney a while ago, and he said thankfully the parents are doing a little bit better. the father has come out of a

coma. the mother was released from the hospital put into physical therapy, but the two teenage boys, one is shaun, just 16 years old, and ryan, who is 14 they are still in critical condition and in a coma in a children's hospital in philadelphia. their attorney told me, they are in rough shape. the family was air lifted back here after falling ill after a fumigation of a villa beneath the one where they were staying at this resort in st. john in the u.s. virgin islands. the epa says that traces of methal bromide, not allowed to be used inside the u.s. because of toxicity was used inside the family's villa. >> the family's attorney said it was akin to serin gas, that's how toxic it can be. why was it used here if it's banned in the united states?

>> reporter: that's what they are looking at. the e pa say it is restricted and you don't smell it because causes injury to the lung and nervous system. as you said it can be fatal in inhaled. this is very, very scary, poppy. the older boy had blood in his lungs, heart was failing, and one of the boys has brain damage and the father, who is now awareke cannot talk yet, and the mother in occupational therapy. the resort owned by sea glass vacations, said the pest control company that did this fumigation was ternminx. and they were there before the family arrived. >> if the resort is liable here what are we looking at in terms of you know consequences? >> reporter: i think the investigators are looking at the

resort the lawyers said they are looking at the company that provided this -- it's called metho gas, the gas that was used looking at all of that and the department of justice was called by the epa. they now opened a criminal investigation. the epa is there monitoring the air and environmental samples working with local agencies to figure out what happened to make sure that other people are not in harm's way. term next told cnn in an e-mail they are, quote, looking in the matter internally cooperating with the attorney and wishing the family a speedy recovery. a spokeswoman for the epa said they are actively working to determine how this happened and they'll make sure steps are taken to prevent this from happening to others at this vacation apartment resort and elsewhere, poppy. >> absolutely. a horrifying story. keep us posted how the family is doing, especially with how serious it seems the injuries

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indiana's decision to amend its so-called religious freedom law can be traced in large part to a lot of pressure from big businesses in the state and across the country. especially salesforce.com the biggest tech employer in the state of indiana. the company's ceo was among the first to come out loudly criticizing the new law before the governor even signed it. then on the eve of lawmakers' changing the law this week i spoke to him about what drove him to fight so hard against it.

>> we have a place now honestly people want to move out of the state of indiana, moving those employees out. there are customers of ours i heard from all over the world, 90% of the people that i heard of have been incredibly positive towards the actions that we have taken and want the law to change. i would say 10% of the people that i heard from are upset we'd actually rebuff the governor and i can understand that because he is a great guy, very likable, but in this case the governor made a huge mistake, a huge mistake for himself and state of indiana, and that must change. >> you said you're actually moving people out of the state of indiana right now? >> we are. i just got an e-mail on the way here to the studio from another employee who said look i don't feel comfortable living in the state anymore. you got to move me out. i gave them a $50,000 relocation package and said great, clear to go.

i've done that several times, and, you know my job is the ceo and be an advocate for employees and for my customers. >> you have called this the beginning of rolling you're the ceo of a huge tech company. what do economic sanctions look like in dollar signs? >> you see it from sales forces perspectives where we have stopped investment in indiana. you see it from -- >> but i'm talking about how many millions billions what are we looking at across the board? >> you're already seeing tens of millions and about to move into hundreds of millions. >> do you believe we're seeing a fundamental shift in the willingness of corporate executives businesses to come out and talk about incredibly controversial issues and take a stand one way or the other on

them them? >> i certainly hope so. i believe that the most important thing in business is stake holders, not shareholders. in this case the reason we're doing this is because we're focused on our stake holders. those employees and customers traveling to the state of indiana. >> why do you think it is right now, if this is indeed a change, why do you think it's now? >> i'll tell you why that is. we have a lot of dysfunction in our government right now. . everyone knows that, you can see it in washington. everyone is frustrated. we have been working like heck to get this recovery going from 2008. a lot of us are stick and tired when politicians come in and slow down what can be a great country that we have here in the united states. i am not a republican or a democrat. i'm an american. all i want is to live in a great nation which i do and i want as part of that nation to have a quality for all and that's especially important for our customers and employees. >> what do you say to those like

ted cruz, senator ted cruz, who said indiana is giving voice to millions of courageous conservatives across this country who are deeply concerned about the ongoing attacks upon our personal liberties. what do you say to him? that's his pint on this. >> ted cruz is a great guy, but he's not running a company. and ted cruz is not responsible for growing his revenue and ted cruz is not responsible for thousands of employees and customers. all i'm trying to do is do what's right for my employees and customers and support them and grow our revenues and profits. the damage the reputational damage in just a week has been extraordinary. >> well after indiana's governor signed a change to the law on thursday, he sent this tweet. the new indiana legislation is an important first step. the damage has been fixed and

the door is open to the future. that said his company sales force says they are still willing to relocate employees if they feel uncomfortable under this few law. up next the final four in high gear in indianapolis kicking off tonight at 6:00 eastern. we'll take you there live up next.

all week there has been a lot of talk about what is happening in the state of indiana where the final four is being played tonight. cnn's rachel nichols is in indianapolis. you sat down with all of the the coaches for the four teams in sort of the full-time hoo ra and you talked about this controversial religious freedom restoration act. what did they say about it and whether they felt like they should be weighing in on the daeblt, whether they talked to lawmakers, et cetera? >> yeah well it's very interesting because the headquarters are here in indianapolis. by the way, also they bring these events like the final four here quite often. these four days expected to do a half a ball dollars worth of business to the local community here so that is a big economic foot to be able to put down.

it speaks to the power of sports and how much we as americans invest in sports how important it is to us that we throw so much money into it. when the ncaa and the four schools involved wanted to make a statement, they didn't just say something, the head of the ncaa met with the governor met with lawmakers here and told them they would not be comfortable continuing to do business in this environment if there was not some sort of amendment to the law that offered some protection to the lgbt community. it was interesting to see them get involved at such a level. when i sat down with coach k. from duke he talked about how powerful sports can be in these situations. >> how have you seen the power of sports effect social change in these moments? >> i think our sport has done the most over the years, especially as far as race relations. we are playing in shorts are you white, are you african-american are you asian,

who are are you? and all of a sudden, you're working together sweating together hugging together loving talking, fighting in other words, you see people oh that works, it works. >> it was interesting people on both sides saying that coaches and athletes should be commenting and some say shouldn't be commenting. coaches are educators but certainly at the college level they are teaching 18 19 20-year-olds how to be citizens in the world and you want them to be involved in the communities that they are in, that they are playing in. it's a great lesson to lead by example. have an opinion, be involved. i'm thrilled when athletes and coaches take a stand on these issue issues. it's a great example for people who look up to them saying this is your world, get involved one way or another. >> we thought from ceos across

the board and we saw it from sports teams, rachel have fun at the games tonight. thank you so much. remind reminder for our viewers tonight's games tbs at 6:00 p.m. eastern. michigan state taking on duke airing on tbs. tonight after that wisconsin will try to ruin kentucky's perfect record at 8:30 p.m. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com here in the cnn newsroom joining you at 4:00 eastern and we begin in iraq and the strategically key city of tikrit. isis had control until just a few days ago. what happened after that, though, iraqi officials say was completely out of control. iraqi troops and military forces that liberated that city apparently nearly burn. ed it down. fires, lootings, lynchings and

senseless violence. remember these iraqi forces have the support of the united states and if what iraqi officials is saying is true, these are the same groups that triggered the violence chaos. arwa damon is hearing how much damage these liberators have done in saddam hussein's hometown. >> a senior official in tikrit said hours after the city was liberated it was, quote, out of control. he confirmed that at least 20 homes were set on fire and around 50 shops were looted and destroyed saying that iraq's security apparatus was unable to stop trucks from flee inging the scene. mostly to blame were the mobilization units, the fighting force that is largely made up of

militias and volunteers and also said a few members of iraq's security forces were complicit in the destruction and looting of various buildings. there has been a very close look being taken at what kind of human rights violations are happening in tikrit. when we were up there as well we did witness a group of men from the mobilization units as well as some police officers dancing with the severed head of an alleged isis fighter. the fighter had been detained cuffed shot in the head and later decapitated. on friday iraq's prime minister did issue a directive to all security forces to detain anyone who had been causing damage destruction, looting, or any sort of human rights violation. a spokesman for the mobilization units did say that they would be withdrawing from the city. these various reports of all

sorts of violations, potentially tarnishing what up until now had been touted as a victory against isis. arwa damon, cnn, baghdad. >> thank you very much for that. a former navy seal is joining us and former counterterrorism official. thank you both for being here. it's disturbing what arwa just reported. you look at this as a victory and then look what happens within days. phil this was a chance for iraq's security forces to claim a major victory over isis and. it looks like that has been dashed. does this surprise you? >> let's book end this. 15 years ago you have a sunni dictator that is saddam hussein who controls a country that is roughly two-thirds shia. now you have shia leadership going against isis which is a sunni organization and taking back the city of tikrit. what did the sunni citizens of that city thinking? they are concerned that the shia

leadership in baghdad is going to crush the sunni minority after all those years of saddam hussein. what we saw is evidence of that. the concern here is that we will end up in a country that is iraq that is divided between sunni and shia and will end up in a civil war that's a religious war. >> phil. you have iraq's prime minister saying, look, this shouldn't take place ordering them to capture anyone that's been engaging in this. how realistic is this on the ground? >> he's backed by iran. a shia country interested in having an ally that is iraq that governs by shia principles. i think what's going on here is that the leadership of iraq is concerned that there will be viewed by the international community as a country that's rea reasserting a shia control over the entire country even while thigh want american support. we all know what the end game is and that is that there will be

shia leadership in baghdad that will suppress sunnis. that's the end game here. >> the prime minister of iraq telling an interviewer that look they cannot succeed if isis keeps getting all of these foreigners coming in to help them. foreigners from the west europe other middle eastern countries. now you're hearing it from the top leader in iraq. >> again, we don't have a strategic battle plan for countering the recruitment process. just here in the united states we have females now that are trying to carry out efforts here in the united states. we also have people that are from all over the place, france all different ages trying to go over there and fight, so i agree there needs to be at the same time we have a strategic battle plan to actually fight in these different tactical areas like syria, tikrit or yemen, there

needs to be in this technically advanced world, we need to start look ing looking at how they are spreading. it's like a heartbeat. it goes out and comes back. >> when you look at tikrit and how key that is does it make sense to send some of the u.s. advisory positions that are on the ground now, the military advisers on the ground in iraq into. a city like tikrit to stabilize what's clearly a division within iraq's own forces? >> i have been one of those advisers before in the war on drugs and when you ask me a question i'm going to give you an honest answer. you can't send an adviser in because it's not going to help the liberators came in and they looted. you need a force that's going to start fighting these, a coalition force with a strong leader and that's the problem. >> phil is this an example of what you think could happen more if we see sort of iraqi force victory against isis with and around iraq and how do they keep

the support from the u.s.? >> i think this is away you're going to see happen in a country that's divided in three parts. they have the kurds up north. you have a shia majority that's taken over because of elections in baghdad. and you have a sunni minority in cities like tikrit saying we're worry ed worried when the shia come in they look like the government, but they are shia and are going to suppress us. what we're seeing is a slow deg degree dags of iraq. the kurds up north, the sunnis in the northwest and shia down south. the country is slowly degrading, and i think the influence the iranians will accelerate that because iran's interests are pretty clear. iran is a shia country that want s to see a majority in baghdad to assume power and control power. that's we'll see happen in the future. >> phil thank you very much. good to be with both of you. we're going to turn to the situation in yemen and the

alarming number of civilians being killed in. these clashes. more than 500 civilians in just the past two weeks. today at the u.n. russia calling on the u.n. security council to push for a pause in the saudi-led airstrikes against the rebels on the ground. our senior correspondent richard roth has more on how to get humanitarian aid in and foreign diplomats out. >> reporter: the u.n. security council heard the deputy ambassador present a draft resolution calling for some type of humanitarian halt in the fighting on the ground in yemen. hundreds have been killed and thousands wounded. the saudi arabian ambassador said everybody agrees that there's a need to get. assistance on to the ground but it's how you achieve that that's the question. >> the desire to provide assistance to those who need it is is something we share. the mechanism is something that will have to be discussed. >> western countries and jordan

indicated they were not happy that the russian proposal also didn't put the blame where it belongs, in their opinion, on those who have ignored previous resolutions. >> we got to this position because they violated cease-fires, took military action took action by force instead of engaging in a genuine way in political talks. the only way out is through a return to genuine political talks on an equal basis and not using force. >> it was the first formal meet meeting of the security council since saudi arabia intervened militarily. it doesn't appear this will be the last session. . >> richard roth thank you. now to kenya where al shabaab is promising they will attack again and kill more innocent people. the country still reeling from the deadliest terror attack since 1998. gunmen now identified stormed the college campus without warning killing 147 people most

of them students most of them christians. they were separated from muslims, who were spared. a 19-year-old student told cnn how she hid in a cup board and heard the attackers' footsteps and gunfire just inches away. >> and i decided to go to the wardrobe. in the wardrobe we have these small rooms. and then i covered myself with the cloths. then these people enter the room and then they told my other roommates who were hidden to come out. when they were outside now, they told if you don't know how to read to them in the muslim word

whatever you lie down and then if you know you go to the other side. >> kenya's president went on national television today and promised to fight this terror group al shabaab and anyone who support supports it, finances it or recruits for it. consider this, would isis ever think about a military truce? there are new signs the terror group may be open to exactly that. what would it look like and could it mean isis is in trouble, weaker, that's next. ♪ live a full life. the lexus ct hybrid with an epa estimated 42 mpg. the further you go the more interesting it gets.

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contributor to "the daily beast" and phil mud former counterterrorism official. isis wants a truce is your headline here. basically you write that the british hostage, who has been held for quite a long time now and has sort of become the face of propaganda for isis, wrote this in an english language magazine and repeatedly calls for a truce. when they start beheading western troops then every option is going to be on the table, and fast. a truce will be one of those options. that's according to someone who has been being held by isis. do you believe that this is legitimate and also why do you think they are using this british hostage to get this message out? >> they have been using john in all kinds of ways es. personally under duress and anything he writes and video he's fronting is clearly being

designed and crafted by the isis leadership. i think, i'm not in charge of our headline writers, but they are clearly floating a truce idea. he mentions it four times that they have been using him as a mouthpiece to provide some kind of counternarrative. what they are doing here is carrying on taunting the west and trying to play to western war wariness and suggest the fact that the end to all of this is going to be failure as iraq was before and they are going to have to negotiate with us. and this is all part of a narrative that is john is used to push out under duress to try to legitimize the atlantic state. but i think there is something here. it's kind of intriguing that he mentions it four times. it's the basis of his latest article. there's a foreshadowing about

three issues ago in this magazine where he mentions negotiations and what's also very interesting is underneath this article there is an editor's note saying look we can't have a full-time, permanent truce with the infa dell because our default position is we have to fight them but we can't have a tem temporary one. and there is the idea of a temporary truce to rearm yourself or to rejig your positions. it's very intriguing. >> phil, i'm interested in how you read this and if you see this at all as a sign that isis is weakening. >> no i see it quite the opposite. this is a sign of strength. we view isis as a terrorist organization. isis views itself as a state. who conducts negotiations about truces? that's a state to state conversation. you remember the beheading video videos of last fall. isis is talking in those videos

to the president of the united states. they believe they are having a conversation with the world leader. i don't think this is an indication of weakness. i think this is a way for them to say we're not a terrorist group, we're an organization that was ordain eded by god to control territory. we provide governance of that territory. we provide services to people and we can conduct state to state conversations with the foreign government including the united states. i don't think this is weakness. i think this is them saying we're on the world stage and we're not going anywhere. >> i think he's right, it's a sign of confidence. >> in your article, you point out in the propaganda piece that western leaders have accepted that isis is a bone if ied state, that isis has its own police force, functioning schools and court system and a currency. do you belief thatve that isis is holding on to jan kant lee after murdering, executing so many

other hostages because this is a western voice for them to get their message out and they see that as incredibly valuable? >> i think that's right, they have been using him a lot. he's written quite a lot of articles. we have maneuvered into a position of appearing to be some kind of objective observer when clearly he's under duress and doing anything to save his life as he should be in these circumstances. there's an element to him -- there's a great deal of anger in him as well. it's about what's going on with him. a few weeks ago it was mentioned when e he attacks the west not negotiating for his release, he believes that. but this is a very complex thing happening with him, but in terms of them they see him of value and as long as they continue to see him of value he will live. in terms of the legitimacy

question there are signs that they are meant to be providing social services and have a supposed currency but there are sign signs they are having problems in some of the other territory they control. they seem to be running out of money a bit. the efforts is having some effect in terms of oil, which they sell in turkey and other neighboring countries, as are the airstrikes. but they are still very strong. they have had some successes in syria, even though they are being pushed back in iraq. >> but also losing to tikrit this at the same time. >> there's a lot of claims and counterclaims here but it looks like 30% of tikrit may still be under control of the militants. what hasn't helped has been the shia militia behavior on friday which is going to undermine efforts to get sunni tribesmen to pull away from the islamic

state. that's really bad news from friday. >> it's a fascinating piece. isis wants a truce. thank you for talking about it. we appreciate it. coming up after a quick break, the nuclear deal with iran only works if everyone follows the rules, follows the guidelines. can we trust iran? not everyone is sure at all, that's next. fpz

. coming up at 5:00 eastern, we're going to have my interview with warren buffett talking about the u.s. economy, income inequality and who he wants for the next president. before that, the framework for a nuclear deal with iran. president obama and members of his administration are calling on lawmakers and foreign leaders to make the sell. but there's another big looming factor here iran's supreme leader, who has promoted hostility towards the united states. our chief correspondent jim sciutto looks all the whether the united states can really trust iran. >> reporter: sellcelebrations on the street es of iran overnight. the foreign minister welcomed home as a hero but behind the smiles another iran defines america as the great satan and

death to america chants. this is the iran of supreme leader and the feared revolutionary guards. many critics worry cannot be trusted to hold up iran's side of the bargain. >> the military here has a lot to say about this. not necessarily the iranian negotiators, they don't have the power. the military have the power. >> reporter: u.s. ally israel is certain they cannot be trusted. >> israel will not accept an agreement, which allows a country that vows to annihilate us to develop nuclear weapons, period. >> reporter: the fact is the supreme leader faces sharp division at home. between hard liners loathed to trust the west and average iranians eager to ease their country's economic pain and isolation. >> the supreme leader is in a difficult dilemma right now

because his hardline base has long opposed any accommodation with the united states and at the same time there's tens of millions who are euphoric about the processspect of sanctions relief and international integration. it's going to be difficult for him to disappoint so many iranian who is are eager to see this it deal happen. >> reporter: trust between the skpus iran is already being tested in the views of what the two sides actually agreed to in switzerland. on economic sanctions, for instance iran says there will be immediate relief. the u.s. says it will be phase ed in over time. and while the diplomats smile, three americans remain in iranian prison cells. a former marine a christian pastor and "washington post" reporter all jailed on what the u.s. considers baseless charges. one has been held for 1,300 days. >> calling on iran to release my brother and the other americans openly when they are sitting face to face at this negotiating

table to me seems like we're past that point. iran needs to take steps to prove their commitment. >> we're familiar with israeli opposition but. arab allies share many of the same concerns sparking fears of a nuclear arms race in the region. the president called many of them on friday speaking to leaders of bahrain and qatar. he's also inviting them to the white house to calm fears. >> jim sciutto thank you. even though the u.s. likely cannot convince israel that this is a good deal it can assure them that the security of israel is a top u.s. concern. >> prime minister benjamin netanyahu is still not convinced. what will you do to try to convince him? >> i think that we're not going to convince prime minister

benjamin netanyahu. he has disagreed with this approach since before the joint plan of action the first agreement reach eded with iran. what we will say to the prime minister as we're saying to our gulf partners too, we're making a nuclear deal here. it's the right thing to do. it's the best way to prevent iron from getting a nuclear weapon for the longest period of time. at the same time, though, we're not at all lessening our concern about iran's destabilizing action actions in the region. its support for terrorism, we can have a dialogue with them about what else can we be doing to reassure our commitment to your security to counter those and while we may have a nuclear deal, we're going to be very vigilant in confronting other actions in the region that concern us. >> much more of that interview with ben rhodes tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. and 1:00 p.m. eastern. also tomorrow morning, 9:00 a.m. and. noon israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu joins cnn to

talk about why he's so opposed to this deal. that's here on cnn tomorrow morning. coming up next for the families of the victims from the germanwings crash, the past weeks have been unbearable. details leaking out that have been heartbreaking. how are they holding up? a live report from europe, next.

police investigators wrapped up their work at the crash site of germanwings flight 9525. a security firm will protect the area for now. this as investigators sift through new information that they have received from the flight data recorder that was found on thursday. the biggest revelation so far is the co-pilot increased the speed, accelerated the speed several times after set ingting the plane on a crash course. joining me is karl who has been following this story from the beginning. we talk so much about why could this have happened what

motivated andreas lubitz, but the most important thing is the victims and the families and how they are doing. how are they doing? >> you're absolutely right, poppy. that has been the feature of this tragedy. there's been so many twists and turns, revelations, but the bottom line is that 150 life stories came to an end the moment that that plane crashed into that wind blown gully. right now, still some of the friends and relatives are staying at a hotel a couple blocks away from us here in marseille. they are still waiting, getting help from psychologists. they are getting briefings on the investigation, both on the accident investigation and the criminal investigation. i was talking to one of the families and i can tell you they are not doing very well. that could be expected but one man they spoke to lost his brother. he says he gets up in the

mornings he's overwhelmed by this tremendous sadness and as the day goes on he e gets filled with rage. when i first approached him, i apologized for invading his privacy and he said u to me don't worry, it's not you invading my privacy. it's lufthansa, germanwings invading my privacy. i never wanted to know those names. they didn't need to be in my life but now my brother is death, they will always be part of my life. it's not good enough that people here are talking about compensation and the legal suits. he said in his view that somebody allowed andreas lubitz to fly that plane, even though it handed in a note in 2009 says he was suffering from mental issues. he said this young man said to me, what i want to see is luf than sa and germanwings executives behind bars in jail for putting andreas lubitz in that cockpit. >> and karl what are these

family members telling you about how they want their loved ones honored and remembered? >> reporter: well there is talk of course of putting a memorial stone closer to the crash site. now that rescue teams managed to drive a dirt path right up to the ravine where the plane crashed perhaps we're going to see that in the next few weeks as the ban on access to that site is lifted. the other thing, of course, in the short-term that the families will get maybe a little comfort from in the course of this week is that the identification process of the remains is going to start and that again, news that we didn't really expect because some had been predicting that the remains of the passengers would never be found but a prosecutor said that 150 separate sets of remains have been found. that essentially means that

every body on that plane will be identified and they will be able to be laid to rest. so these are, of course small comforts but they have to take what they can get. >> karl thank you very much for keeping us focused on the most important thing, the victims. next we're going to continue on this story. we are going to talk about that second black box that was found amid-all of the debris late this week. we have already learned the co-pilot's state of mind, but what else could we learn from that data, that's next. s of things. but what if that thing is a few hundred thousand doses of flu vaccine. that need to be kept at 41 degrees. while being shipped to a country where it's 90 degrees. in the shade. sound hard? yeah. does that mean people in laos shouldn't get their vaccine? we didn't think so. from figuring it out to getting it done, we're here to help.

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we have been looking at the latest in the investigation in. the germanwings crash. we heard about the families and the the dna testing being done to identify the victims of flight 9525. let's dig a little deeper into what we have learned and what is still to be discovered from the second black box that was found this week.

joining me is contributing editor to flying magazine and a captain. also in denver david susi a form former safety inspector and author of "flight 370." thank you for being here. david, when we talk about this first testing of the dna from 150 people on board, how does the process of identifying them work and then returning any remains they possibly can any jewelry, anything personal to the family members? >> it's really a gruesome task, to be honest with you, and to be able to identify and separate each of the remains and try to put as many as they can together, part of the process is identifying where the remains were found, location of where the parts were, i hate to say it that way but that's how it happens. then at that point, they are gathered together and placed

respectfully into these cassetteketcaskets, if you will and sent back to their families. >> when it comes to the flight data recorder, the second of the so-called black boxes that was just recovered on thursday, it's not the audio from the cockpit it's a lot of other information. what are the most important things investigators are going to try to glean from that? >> well, i can only guess, and dave can back me up on this also, i think with reference to the cockpit door they may be listening to whether that deactivation switch was utilized or perhaps the cockpit door, the manual aspect of the door was utilized through the cockpit voice recorder. there is a possibility with the research that was done that we know of through the prosecutor's office that he was looking in the cockpit door basic u mechanics of it nobody really

knows for sure at this point, but if he attempted to pull circuit breakers to disable the arming aspect of the cockpit door that may be able to be determined by the flight data recorder in addition to the fact we're talking about speed that he accelerated, but this is the vertical speed he accelerated in a descent toward the terrain. >> david, here's the thing. no matter what information you find it doesn't bring these lives back. it doesn't bring back the lives of 149 people who were murdered here. when you look at why they want all this information, they want to know what happened, but ultimately how does that factor into who might be charged? >> well where it comes down is the intent of that pilot and what he did to try to prevent something from happening. one of the reasons we look at these things is to see if it can

be improved or stopped from happening before. from a liability perspective, it's something they are trying to prove they knew this potential existed yet did nothing about it. that's where the liability comes into play. so part of this idea is did he push down the switch did he not, it will tell us what didn't happen as much as it will tell us what did. if there was no attempt from him to try to recover from this downward movement which apparently he did nothing but try to accelerate it so that does prove his intent the second part of this is then the liability part in which they are trying to find evidence that they knew of something. >> and what the airline knew about his mental state years before. as a 777 pilot, is there anything that other carriers can learn from what investigators have uncovered so far? >> absolutely, i mean, unfortunately, now we have the public doubting our basic mental health but i think what we can

do is we can go back and look at our own screening process for pilots. my particular airline is in the process of hiring pilots. we can go through and see if we can revise some aspects of the physical exam still keep it a self-disclose situation, but going through the whole process of e evaluation as it stands now, but let's reenforce and reenforce some of the avenues that are available for professional pilots to get help if indeed they need that kind of assistance. >> absolutely thank you very much we appreciate it. coming up next we'll switch gears in a big way and talk about the box office where the new fast and fur yoes movie, this is a $2 billion movie franchise. the latest installment number 7 in the series bigger than ever. we'll look at the key to this

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have you seen it yet? "fast & furious," i haven't seen it, just came out, but apparently a lot of you have because look at the numbers. they are pretty astonishing. "fast & furious" making its way

to be the best ever april opening with analysts predicting it will pull in $150 million this weekend alone. the success is bittersweet, of course with fans also remembering the film's late star paul walker. >> dude, i almost had you. >> before the release of the first "fast & furious." >> you hear about e egos and people that are difficult to work with but everyone in this, we got along really well. . >> reporter: now mention walker to his co-stars emotions flow. >> he was the best guy to be around in the world. he's very missed. >> reporter: walker died in. late 2013 riding in a porsche that wrecked in california. a me. moirl sprung up 5,000 fans paid respects. >> he was a very genuine person

with a big heart. >> reporter: no doubt walker connected with his fans so much because e he seemed anti-hollywood, no entourage or publicity stunts. he founded a charity to help people affected by natural disasters. anonymously buying this $9,000 wedding ring for a newlywed soldier who could not afford it. a decade and three children later, the couple told cnn it was a fairy tale he was our fairy godfather. how do you take walker and finish "fast & furious," roughly 85% of walker's parts were finished when he died. the director said he used walker's brothers to fill the gap gaps. >> they were basically act out the scenes, they would play out the scenes how paul would have done it in the film. >> so they have dialogue? >> there's also an homage to walker in the movie, but perhaps

there can be no greater tribute to a friend than naming a child in their honor. paul walker lives on in vin diesel's new baby. >> paul is the one to cut the umbilical cord. as i was doing that i couldn't stop thinking about paul and his advice and when it came down to write down the name paulline just came out. >> joining me to talk about this is brian filter. i haven't seen it. i actually haven't seen any of them but i'm clearly in the minority here. why does this franchise do so well? >> i haven't seen the new one, but i've seen some of the older ones. it does go to show that even though krit cannics might not love sequels, movie-goers do. this is the most successful of all the films. they have made $2 billion over

time. but for this one, the estimates keep going up. analysts were saying it might make $115 million this weekend and now today they are saying $150 million. the studio is being careful. $149.5. they don't want to go and say $150 but it's going to be the biggest april movie ever. i think we have a graph of opening weekends. you can see them here "fast & furious" in 2009 and 2011 but none of them can compare to this this. we see $99 million, had this movie is going to go way past that. and that goes to show in some ways the summer movie season is starting earlier than ever. >> it's starting with a bang. paul walker in this film. if there's an eighth one, he won't be in that one. can this series go on without him? >> it definitely will because it's been so successful. they have shown an ability to

recreate this franchise with new cast members. it's remarkable that even though it's a blockbuster movie, it's getting great reviews. we should go. see it. >> can we go. together? i'm back tomorrow. >> i'm free tomorrow night. >> thank you so much. switching gears to an important story now getting more attention like it deserves. california's drought, a natural disaster so severe it could change the way of life for every man, woman and child in this country. that's what is facing california right now. a drought so terrible it is transforming the state. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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california is alarming even experts, experts who have been watching this happen. look at these before and after photos from some of the state's landmarks. south americaa >> reporter: california is going dry. . . >> people should realize we're in a new era. the idea of your nice green grass getting lots of water every day, that's going to be a thing of the past. >> reporter: mandatory statewide water restrictions including changing 50 million square feet

of california's thirsty grass lawns to drought resistant zero skaps, a rebate program make s it free. >> because of that program, we have come up with a way for homeowners to get this service for free and we think because of that this could catch fire and really help california. >> reporter: the plan calls for a reduction in potable water usage and agriculture must provide a water usage plan. these actions can't happen soon enough. >> california has about one year of water left in its reservoirs on the surface. >> reporter: you don't have to tell vicky how bad it is. the retiree lives it every day in central valley. >> they say you never miss a well until the water runs dry. it's true. who would have ever thought that i wouldn't have any water? >> reporter:. her well went dry and her taps

did too. >> did you ever actually cry because of what was going on? >> i have cried myself to sleep a lot of times and i have lost weight. >> reporter: in east porterville, dry wells have left about 5,000 people without running water in their homes. >> how long have you not had running water in the house? >> it's been a year and one month. >> reporter: one of her children is being bullied over it. >> my daughter she came from school and said mom, i'm sick and tired. they say i don't got no water, i didn't shower and this and that that i stink. >> reporter: nothing is spared. at one of the largest reservoirs the dry rings reveal where the water level was just a few years ago. the water is receding so quickly gps is having trouble keeping up. according to this we should be submerged in deep water right now. the water crisis impacting everything from people to the

produce and nuts the world has come to rely on. if the drought does its works, it could turn the part of america referred to as the world's salad bowl into a sand pit. cnn, california. 5:00 eastern, you're in the cnn newsroom i'm poppy harlow. we are watching the movement aftermath and advances made by terrorists is and extremist groups in three parts of the world all made more unstable this weekend by more violence in syria where a group linked to al qaeda is closing in on the capitol of damascus in iraq where isis was pushed only to have lynchings fall in behind them. and in east africa where the extremist group al shabaab murdered 147 people on a university campus this week. some of the attackers were killed by police, but the group

is promising to continue more attacks within kenya. we're going to take you live to kenya and we want to warn you this r report may be very difficult for many. of you to watch. kenyan kenyans watching today in horror and then on thursday in horror as al shabaab militants stormed a christian prayer service. by the time they were stopped, they had killed 147 people most of them singled out for being christian. they also wounded over 100. david mackenzie joins me live. when you saw what happened today, another horrifying display playing out on the streets. >> reporter: that's right, poppy, very disturbing streets today. the government deciding that it wants to show that these gunmen placing them in the back of a

pickup truck. it was hideous. the stench was overwhelming and driving them through town and displaying them in front of the town people. so certainly they want to show that they mean business with the fight against al shabaab. the president has said they are going to do everything they can to strike back but al shabaab says it will bathe the cities in blood. >> when it comes to what the government can do because the president of kenya speaking out and saying this is a crisis for our nation we will do everything we can to fight this radicalization, this recruitment. what can they do outside of putting many more police forces security measures at their universities and malls. what else can they do? >> reporter: there have been complaints they should have expected this kind of attack. there were murmurs that even the university might be targeted. so the first point is yes, to protect students but it's very hard to protect soft targets

like this. you can't protect every place where people gather and work and study across the country. and there have been complaints from the kenyans themselves that they don't have enough support for the intelligence services security forces or even enough coordination. the u.s. military and. special operations forces have been involved in this fight particularly in covert drone strikes taking top leadership of al shabaab in somalia. this is a group that is a lot less powerful than it was some years ago when it held a great deal of territory, but now being coroner coronered in some way it's more dangerous, more radical and more likely to strike like this at soft targets like these unfortunate students. many of them e evacuated those who survived today to safety. >> david mackenzie, thank you for that report. the prime minister in iraq making a very grim prediction,

saying if isis continues to recruit fighters from all over the world then no army in the middle east will be able to stop or even contain them. on that subject, a new security council report is out on the startling rise of foreign fighters who have joined isis. take a look at these numbers. they are around 22,000 in syria and iraq alone. add to that 6500 in afghanistan and hundreds in yemen and somalia. s that 71% increase in just about a year's time u. this report also warning of the risks of these diverse foreign fighters linking up through social network, social media to exchange ideas, plan future attacks, let's talk about it with fbi agent jonathan gill yan. this was an incredibly important report out of the united nations looking at just how dire the situation is and who robust the recruitment of isis has been. i want to read this quote from the u.n. report. it says, quote, those who eat

together and bond together can bomb together. we have heard a lot about the recruitment efforts many of them which have been stopped here in the united states but when you look at those numbers, why do you think clearly the fight against the recruitment has been so ineffective. >> it's a good question. i think we were talking about this earlier that the overall war plan is ineffective because it was not well thought out. here's an important part about this is that in kenya there was less than a dozen people that went in and attacked and killed 150. you're talking 22,000 people that have been recruited. we have to take this more seriously. i think to answer your question it just needs to be taken more seriously. i think that a lot of cultures that are western newsed and modernized in the world are not taking this seriously enough and this is going to unfurl on everybody if we don't get ahead

of it. >> this is a u.n. report. being a former navy seal having been on the ground how do they make these assessments and know it is these numbers, this many thousand? >> i'm sure that they have ways of estimate. this is all estimate they are always an estimate. i think when we look at the reality of this it's better to look at the numbers, to look at the overall movement. the fact that it's been globally attacks in every hemisphere that's where we need to start looking. and a coalition is not just a group that goes into a country and fights. a coalition is a like-minded group that has the same war plan. it should include the internet and recruiting. >> what about the recruitment that has clearly worked within our borders? look what happened in new york

this week. two women in brooklyn and queens arrested clearly inspired by isis. they were caught because of undercover informants. >> so islam is a closed society. they do invite people in to follow their faith, but overall a mosque, you're not going to walk into. a mosque. >> i don't know if that's fair to generalize all mosques. >> i have plenty of muslim friends that would tell you it's not an open society in the way they are advertise inging and broadcasting their daily lives. so the point is that they are the best to police themselves pause we can't put -- you can't put police departments as we have seen in nypd and fbi, we started pulling our surveillance units out of there for political reasons. the mosques themselves can start

policing what's going on. if they have people starting to be radicalized, they are the ones who are going to be -- >> what do you mean that the fbi has been pulling out? >> different surveillance units, like you take the intelligence unit in nypd. they are a part of the jttf. the relationship that you have with local police departments when they have a surveillance unit that works inside these mosques and then they are pulled out, that's a huge loss of human intelligence. so when they pull out, that creates a vacuum or a void where we can't see. the islamic community has to then step in and actually police themselves and watch if they don't want to have law enforcement in there, they need to start stepping up to the plate. >> we know a lot of good leaders have been doing that. there's another troubling part that says an unintended consequence of e defeating isis in syria and iraq would be the

dispersal of foreign fighters across the globe. . this sort of if you defeat isis, what comes next? could the next be worse? >> that's why you don't need to concentrate on isis you need to concentrate on a global movement. you need to differentiate what's happening happening. tikrit is the sunni/shia you're seeing a civil war in this one town. yemen is similar, but you also have very dangerous groups trying to take ahold of yemen to further their movement. globally we have this movement this fundamental movement and so we need to look at each one of these separately and here at home the muslim community needs to start participating and police ing policing. if they see something in boston, the mosque where the boston bombers were at that was not the first time that that mosque was brought up into something.

>> they denied that it knew of anything. >> those people existed in this mosque. >> this recruitment problem is an issue. there are a lot of muz.slims trying to fight this. thank you so much. we'll keep the conversation beginning. coming up next disturbing story, a family poisoned on vacation at a luxury resort in. the virgin islands. a toxic chemical could be to blame. one that is banned in the united states. so if it was used, how could that happen? more on that, next.

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investigation. >> reporter: a trip to paradise turned nightmare. a family of four now fight inging for their lives. authorities are investigating whether they may have been poisoned while staying at this hotel on st. john in the u.s. virgin islands. two boys ages 14 and 16 are in comas in critical condition after traces of a gas compound used in pesticides were found in their villa at the resort. the family fell ill after the unit directly below them was fumigated. the epa banned the use of the chemical indoors because of its toxicity toxicity. sea glass vacations told cnn the pest control company termnex fume gatd on march 18th right in the middle of the family's stay. the family's lawyer compared the chemical to certain gas, a deadly substance used in chemical r warfare.

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conscious but unable to talk. the agency is working to determine how this happened and will make sure steps are taken to prevent this pr happening at these vacation apartments or elsewhere. >> we will bring you the latest as we have it it. we wish that family the best. coming up next former cuban president making his first public appearance in more than a year. the new photos, details, straight ahead. ♪ ♪ ♪

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framework of a a deal received two different reactions here in the u.s. and in iran. in tehran the mood is jubilant. that is iran's foreign minister getting quite a welcome home after striking an agreement with world powers as iranians celebrate the potential end of those tough economic sanctions. at the white house, a cautious but optimistic response from president obama and concern from republicans, especially those thinking about a run for the white house. jeb bush calling the agreement flawed. marco rubio dismissing it and rick perry said he's wary about

this. ted cruz calling this a bad deal, period. lindsey graham warned of the consequence of a bad deal and said that they could be unimaginable. let's talk about it with david gergen former adviser to four presidents. as we watched this play out, it expanded past that tuesday deadline of march 31st. then all of a sudden an agreement, a framework, do you believe what we know of it? or do you believe the u.s. gave up too much? >> it could be a very good deal for the united states. we have to withhold final judgment until we see the details. also in the larger parts of the agreement and there are many pieces of this agreement that have not been resolved. let's start with the basics. if we were to get an agreement and if it were to work as advertised it would be a major step forward. instead of having an iran which is very close to be able to develop a nuclear weapon or breakout time is thought to be

two to three months, if this deal were to work as advertised it would extend that time to a a year year. . that would give the international community and israel more time to respond and be tough on iran. so if it were as advertised the real issue here is we don't know if it's going to work. we don't know a lot of the details. there are a lot of things that are not left there. the thing we don't know is how tough will verification be? we do know you can't trust the iranians. they signed something similar to this and within a short period of time we're in violation of it. that's what led to a lot of this crisis. now they are going to sign protocol promising that unless we have tough verification, and that doesn't mean once a month, it means any time anywhere. >> this is something the president has been working on since 2008. clearly important to him. that said a lot of people have been raising their hands and saying what about the three

americans, let's pull them up on the screen three americans being held in iran. should the u.s. have used this as a time to try to leverage everything it could to bring them home or do they have that power now? >> in the next three months, i do believe the united states ought to press and i'm glad to see you raising the issue because it's too easy to forget these people have been there some since 2011. yes, what's important is not just listen to american officials, but to listen and to watch what the iranians do. if they were to release those three, it would be a gesture of relief. what are they going to do about their sponsorship of terrorism? are they going to continue to try to take over a a large chunk of iran to promote terrorism? if that's the case we made a deal with the devil. we have to be very tough on it. . it's also what they say about this deal. they are making the deal sound

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robert menendez pleased not guilty to corruption charges centering on his dealings with a florida opt molgs. he helped get visas for his girlfriends to come to the united states and. intervene when the doctor was

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we have david gergen back with us. we were talking about the federal charges that have come down against robert menendez for corruption. a number of different issues at stake that we just discussed. "the new york times" calling on menendez to resign. he says he won't. this is a key senior leader in the senate someone who sits on the foreign relations committee. depending on how this plays out, how could this affect u.s. policy? >> i think it will only have a marginal effect on u.s. policy.

it is true that menendez was a ranking member on the senate foreign relations committee, in other words, he was the top democrat in that position. he was often an ear attempt for the obama administration. but he also has become a voice for a bipartisan bill to force any kind of agreement we get with iran ultimately to a vote in congress. bob corker the senator tr tennessee, has been the co-sponsor of the bill. he's really the one with the influence. i think it's likely to be embraced by the house and the senate. the white house will eventually accept that and i don't think menendez would have been such a serious force one way or the other. i don't think this has major impact. it has impact on him. it also reenforces a sense in the country that too many people who serve are up for sale. >> i do want to get your take on something that's just come into

us. cuba's news agency releasing these photos calling new images of fidel castro out in public for the first time in 14 months. take a look at those photos. what's your reaction to that? they release this and say he's alive u and well. why come out with that now? >> it's like sightings of elvis. i think it's a valuable thing to show the people a sense of continuity that castro a great hero to many cubans remains alive. but the larger issue is not being resolved by him. i think what's strikeing is how many people in this country and in cuba are starting to raise questions about how much respect is cuba going to have for human rights and for a democratic freedom as the opening comes with the united states. that's going. to be an important indicator of

whether this has been a step forward or a step back ward for the cuban people. >> david gergen good to have you on thank you, we appreciate it. >> thank you. o now our one-on-one with billionaire businessman warren buffett. the ceo, the world's third richest man, giving us his views on the economy and who he is betting on for 2016. >> we're seeing some recent cracks in the u.s. economy. retail and auto sales down forecasts for first quarter earnings looking lower than has been expected to fall for the first time since 2012. is this a blip or is this the beginning of a bigger shift? >> i don't see any real weakness in the economy. home building has been slow and continues to be slow but the economy has been improving since the fall of 2009.

it and. it continues to improve. i don't see it. i have seen the february figures for our companies and there's parts that are stronger than others but that's been the case. we have been an upward course and people talk about double dips and acceleration. in the end it just keeps moving ahead. i think it's quite a tribute to our policymakers all the way back to the fall of 2008 that we have recovered like we have from what was an incredible panic. >> fed chair janet yellen said if underlying conditions had returned to normal the economy should be bog. where's the risk? >> i don't think there's a particular risk in the economy over time. we'll have recessions from time to time. we had a real doozy in the fall of 2008 and early 2009. that has had more consequences than other recessions have had post world war ii but the

american economy is a wonderful machine. it really works. it's worked since 1776 and will continue to work. we will continue to have ups and downs. >> for some americans, they listen to that and say it's not working for me. they see stagnant wage growth and they feel like it's getting increasingly hard to get by year by year. so who is winning? >> the extreme rich are clearly win winning. if you look at the forbes 400,an agate net worth, 25 times as much. the very rich have done exceptionally well in this economy. other people have done okay but it's certainly the super rich.

you can just look at that figure from $92 billion to $2.3 trillion. >> but when it comes to wages, we have seen walmart, for example, and other companies raising what they will pay their entry level workers up to $10 by 2016. last year when i asked you if the federal minimum wage should be raised from $7.25 an hour you say that's the toughest question because i have been thinking about it for 50 years and i don't know the answer. your reason for that is because you don't know if more people will be better off because you lose some employment. >> i'd like to see everybody make $20 an hour, but if you increase to $20 an hour, you'd have millions of people unemploy unemployed. i don't know how to kl brat it e precisely. i personally believe the earned income tax credit is a better way of handling the problem of people who are really not paying enough to live decently. the earned income tax credit bted for $56 billion in o 2013. i would expand that and do it

smarter. but that's more effective in helping the people who are at the lower end than a change in the minimum wage. >> why should people care about income inequality. >> we live in a country that is the richest in the world. a miracle in many ways. . real gdp is six times what it was when i was born but all kinds of people are left behind. there are some structural reasons for that and i think a rich family takes care of the people that aren't born with a particular wiring that enables them to prosper mightily in a market economy. there's lots of people that they fight in afghanistan, through no fault of their own, their skills are not skills that the market values highly. i think a very rich society can figure out ways to have those people do better than they are doing. >> what happens to this country if the gap isn't narrowed

between the rich and the poor? what happens? >> i would like to say something will happen politically, but it's gone on now for quite awhile for several decades. we had had occupy wall street but so far there hasn't been that much of a political reaction. you would hope it would happen through the ballot box, but with citizens united and other decisions that enable the rich to contribute really unlimited amounts, that tilts the balance even more toward the ultrarich. so the ballot box is the ultimate answer for changes in policy but the unlimited giving to parties and candidates really pushes us more toward -- they say it's free speech but somebody can speak 20 or 30 million times and my cleaning

lady can't speak at all. >> hillary clinton, you have been a staunch supporter of hillary clinton. >> i still am. >> you have told me multiple times you want her to be the next president. >> i hope so. >> of the united states. she's faced some head winds particularly over her e e-mails. has it changed your view at all? >> no, no, i'd like to see her e-mails too, but there's a cure yos ty factor. but what i care about is what she believes in and her ability to get what she believes in turned into law. >> do you think she's going to be the next president? >> i think so. >> you have told me before that you don't like super pacs. >> it's a good one because i did not know it was a super pac. . they had a maximum, which was $25,000. i think u of super pacs with hundreds of thousands or millions. i didn't know it was a a super

pac. i'm not for super pacs, but it's absolutely true that i contributed $25,000, which i later found out was a super pac. >> but it's an indication of how much you are a supporter of her. >> but i would not write a huge check. i would go out and raise money for her. i would be delighted to do that. i would hope to do it. i did some of that in 2008. but. i just don't believe that the election should be decided by the super rich. >> what does money in politics do to this democracy? what does it do if everyone in your income bracket wrote big checks? >> a lot of people in congress would be listening to them. you can't blame anybody. if you pour your heart and soul into running an election and

your opponent is out spending i think it's counter to our ideas of democracy to allow unlimited campaign contributions. >> part two of my interview with warren buffett, right after the break. [car engine] [car engine] ♪

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welcome back part 2 of my interview with warren buffett, his take on u.s. stocks now and why he says too many people are missing out on the american dream. >> u.s. stocks are near record levels. we still have a wage growth problem in this country. we have 2.7 million people long-term unemployed so we have some problems. . you said periodically financial markets will become divorced from reality. you can count on that. are u.s. markets that way right

now? >> not yet, but they have moved a long way up and they could -- we could have overpriced stock markets. they have had them various times in the last 150 plus years and we'll have them again. it's always easier to identify them in retrospect but they will happen. and you'll have underprice the markets too, which gets much more interesting to talk about because that will happen the same way. >> are we close? >> we are closer than we were before obviously, when the market goes on the s&p from 666 to 2100. that's a big move, but stocks r were very cheap then at that time. they went into a range of modest undervaluation fair valuation, a little on the high side now, but they have not gone into bubble territory. >> not gone into bubble territory. what about a tech bubble? are we living 1999 all over again? the nasdaq is near that 5,000

level. >> that's a a different composition now. apple deserves it. >> they are a very different company. >> they were eyeballs then and they are profits now. i can't speak to any given industry that well, but i do not regard us as bubble territory. i don't find cheap stocks either. very few. >> nothing right now. want to talk about greece. do you think we'll see a greek. exit from the eurozone? >> i don't know whether we'll see it i have no notion on that. i do know that the euro has had certain what i would call structural weaknesses. it doesn't mean they can't be corrected. we have amended our constitution many times, but putting together a group of countries with

significantly different fiscal policies labor laws cultures and then trying to tie them all to a single currency can present strains down the road. >> as we're seeing. >> as we're seeing. they either have to learn to harmonize or be forced to harmonize some other important economic characteristics or they can't all stay on a common currency. you can't have one thing that moves in lock step and everything scattered. >> when you say harmonize, do you think it is realistic even if there are structural changes say in greece that we will see greece and germany singing together? >> that seems farfetched but whether it will be greece or not, i don't know. but i do think that the countries have to operate on reasonably harmonious arrangements and fiscal policy and labor laws. we could not hook up with

venezuela and have a common currency but we could hook up with canada to have a common currency. >> do you think a greek exit may be better in the long run? >> it's hard to tell. . if it leads to a sounder basis for the resolving euro it could estions from our viewers on social media. in your opinion, what is the best thing that can be done to reduce poverty on a global scale? >> well, at the gates foundation foundation we think that health is probably the number-one thing. i mean if you aren't healthy and you don't have access to vaccines and other aids to better health you really don't have anything going for you. and so i think that if you talk about global i think that

development and distribution of vaccines -- you know, we're trying to wipe out polio now or whatever it may be you want a healthier world first. >> is there one thing you think, one piece of technology you think is making and will make the biggest change? melinda gates, for example told me it was smartphone, for example, completely changing the game. >> i don't know if -- >> on that front. >> you know, if you're trying to live on a dollar a day or two dollars a day and you have two acres of land to support your family i'm not sure what a smartphone is necessarily going to do for you. i think my son works on increasing agricultural productivity around the world. that could be a tremendous help to people. i mean they've got small amounts of land and you can make it for productive they'll live better. nothing there is going to be accomplished overnight or in a year or five years or -- >> you've pledged almost all of your wealth to philanthropy. >> right 99%.

>> a lot of other billionaires have joined in that with you. >> a lot. >> what global issues can be solved through philanthropy? not just relying on, you know, the marketplace or capital ism. what issues can we solve through philanthropy? >> we won't save anything in the ultimate -- we're never going to get 7 billion people have them all educated or as healthy as we'd like but things can be done in a major way in terms of health and family planning in terms of education. you try to figure out if you really believe that every life is of equal value, everything in life is of equal value, that means a different thing in some impoverished nation than it means in the united states. and you simply try to improve the lot of humans wherever they may be. they're just like your own children. >> is the american dream still alive and well? >> well it is alive and well but it isn't for a good many people. >> is it hard for you to see that? in your lifetime you've seen stage where is it was very much

more alive and well for more people. >> well it's been -- it's been alive and well for a lot of people but there are people that aren't -- the american dream is based in part on a market system. and the rule of law, equality of opportunity and all of that. but a market system is going to leave lot of people behind and then that's where government comes in why we put in social security and things of that sort. the american dream in the sense that anybody can become -- move um into some top economic class or become president of the united states what it may be that is a dream. the social mobility has always been relatively good in this country compared to the rest of the world. but there are limitations to the american dream. i mean if someone is born with subnormal intelligence they can have some dreams but they're not going to move into the top economic class in all

probability. unless they happen to be the child of some super rich person. >> so we will see who the next president will be if it will be hillary clinton as you'd like to see or someone else. whoever the next president of the united states is what is the one thing that they and congress can do to make sure that that american dream is a little bit more alive for more people? >> i think -- i think the earned income tax credit is enormously important. i think another $100 billion devoted to that could change. -- if there's 23 million or 24 million families in the bottom quintile of income with the top being $20,000, i want to reward work. but that's what the tax credit does. you have to be working to get it. but i think that could be expanded significantly, and i think you could improve dramatically the lives of a lot of people who are struggling like hell to improve their own. >> in the near term.

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